Storage - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

ManxMann · Aug 09, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

mcsumo and vinegrower, ANET, and ALL of their representatives have the ability to post replies here. I am quite sure that they do not need you to defend them. However, if you insist, please at least open your minds to both sides of the argument before you do so.

The point being made here is that ANET, NCSoft, GuildWars, whoever....and their representatives are putting out BAD info. They are making statements and then going back on their collective word. Then to make matters worse, they try to blame the community for misunderstanding or expecting things that are too unreasonable!!

Read the dates on the posts that you are reading. Alex Weeks made his comment long before any post appeared on GW.com!! And Gaile Gray is wrong (even in a business ethic sense) to offer her `core`explanation in light of Alex`s statement. If she is a spokesperson for the company, and the company changed their mind then all she would have to have done is to say so. No, Spin Doctors don`t do that...they take the heat for the company. Fact remains that the `Company`allowed at least 2 of it`s representatives to make conflicting remarks to it`s community and FAILED to correct it!!

As a company, this has been happening since even before Prophecies launched...see this link...http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...071703&page=19

I am not making these posts to enrage people nor to prompt people to post heated comments back at me. I just want people to be informed. Many of us accept things as they come because we are used to it. I am not at all opposed to paying a fair price for a product and for the most part I enjoy GW. I just seriously detest when some people treat others like they have absolutely no intelligence whatsoever. Further, I did pay for it, so expecting a straight answer to a straight question is NOT an `??ver expection`.

Delarn · Aug 09, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Just has storage is a core component of the game. Ok then WHY can I access my storage upgrade in tyria if they are not overlapping the two games ... And no they are not overlapping has Prophecies and Factions are the same game. I mean I can get my Rit and Assassin through all Prophecies and finish the both campain. So Guildwars is one game and all the chapters are in fact expansion even if you have stand alones...

Oh yeah and it works well in WoW and don't tell me they(the WoW players) are paying monthly fee ... They are are charging us 10$ a month for GW by making us pay 60$ each 6 month.

gamecube187 · Aug 09, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouAl

I don't like when their Community relations manager (a PR occupation?) insults and argues with the community members.

When has any of the community relations managers insulted or argued with the community members? I've seen community members do that to each other a lot, but I haven't seen any community relations manager do that, ever...could you please provide a link or something?

EDIT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delarn

Oh yeah and it works well in WoW and don't tell me they(the WoW players) are paying monthly fee ... They are are charging us 10$ a month for GW by making us pay 60$ each 6 month.

It is $50 every 6 months, but in a way you are right. IF you buy the new chapters than we are, sorta, paying a monthly fee, but I would much rather this than how WoW does it. Also, you have to pay for it to buy and install it and THEN you have to pay monthly to accually play it (i think) so in a way you are wrong because we skip the pay monthly part (sorta). Aww man, I just confused myself now!

Uh..whatever, maybe it makes sence I'm not sure...confused...

EDIT again

Um delarn, I do live in CA...but thats sorta irrelevant isnt it? And, uh there sorta is a difference between how *most* online games and GW make you pay. For *most* other online games, you have to pay the money to buy it, just like you do with GW, but then you *also* have to pay monthly after that. So really, people that play *most* other online games pay more overall. With GW, the price is, in a way, cut in half. So you are once again, half right and half wrong. Oh cool I didn't confuse myself that time!

Delarn · Aug 09, 2006, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouAl

hasn't this debate already been pissed all over these forums?

The major problem is that Anet/NCsoft has too much open communication because picky people who think they are entitled to everything will read in those things that they want to see/get.

I actually see nothing wrong with implementing storage for all chapeters for fee and expanded storgae implemented for certain chapters.

Where I do see a problem is with the way the situation was handled on Anet's end. I don't like when their Community relations manager (a PR occupation?) insults and argues with the community members. They seem to have forgotten that they are dealing with a bunch of whiny children with a entitlement complex. On the other hand, the community has largely forgotten that if the company doesn't make money, the servers will shut down. In order for them to make money, they must entice people to buy subsequent chapters of the game. But again, I was displeased with the way it was handled...

They can make more money by giving stuff, like a teaser town (maybe kaineng could be one) so they can go there see the stuff and buy the next chapter because they want to see more of it.

I am going to buy nightfall because it has make my brain work to link faction to nightfall... I linked prophecies to nightfall in no time tho.

I still want some clearing on what is core mechanic and what is chapter specific mechanics. Please, Gaile, Andrew or Alex, can you explain it to the mass ?

EDIT

For GC187, ok you live in the US not in CA ... Then I pay 60$ each 6 month for a game I download on the net for FREE so you are getting the game for Free and paying 10$ a month for it ... big difference ... nope !

EiS · Aug 09, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03

I'm thinking what alex ment by free of charge he in like real money not Guild wars gold money

Delarn · Aug 09, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

EiS we are not talking about Money nor Cash ... We are talking about the fact that Storage is a CORE feature of GW.

Loviatar · Aug 10, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delarn

EiS we are not talking about Money nor Cash ... We are talking about the fact that Storage is a CORE feature of GW.

storage is core feature yes.

EXTRA storage is game content as defined earlier by the Jeff Strain of Anet during an interview

EiS · Aug 10, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

sorry ealier in the conversation they where talknig about the money/gold about the storage upgrade

Anduin · Aug 10, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamecube187

When has any of the community relations managers insulted or argued with the community members? I've seen community members do that to each other a lot, but I haven't seen any community relations manager do that, ever...could you please provide a link or something?

EDIT

It is $50 every 6 months, but in a way you are right. IF you buy the new chapters than we are, sorta, paying a monthly fee, but I would much rather this than how WoW does it. Also, you have to pay for it to buy and install it and THEN you have to pay monthly to accually play it (i think) so in a way you are wrong because we skip the pay monthly part (sorta). Aww man, I just confused myself now!

Uh..whatever, maybe it makes sence I'm not sure...confused...

EDIT again

Um delarn, I do live in CA...but thats sorta irrelevant isnt it? And, uh there sorta is a difference between how *most* online games and GW make you pay. For *most* other online games, you have to pay the money to buy it, just like you do with GW, but then you *also* have to pay monthly after that. So really, people that play *most* other online games pay more overall. With GW, the price is, in a way, cut in half. So you are once again, half right and half wrong. Oh cool I didn't confuse myself that time!

Depends on where you live. 60$ for us in the Great White North.

LouAl · Aug 10, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamecube187

When has any of the community relations managers insulted or argued with the community members? I've seen community members do that to each other a lot, but I haven't seen any community relations manager do that, ever...could you please provide a link or something?

I have seen Gaile act this way on a number of occasions. Keep in mind that I am not saying she is entirely at fault, being that she has an absolute ton of crap to deal with, but sometimes her professionalism is a bit low...Again, the negative attitude is NOT the norm, it is an occasional and unfortunate side effect of dealing with forum jerks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

# The update notes are as complete as we can make them.
# We don't leave things out because we're trying to pull something sneaky -- a dozen programmers and sometimes several weeks' of work can result in a missing line in the text. Accident, pure and simple.
# There are no "rogue programmers" at ArenaNet doing whatever you'd suggest they were doing by using such a weird choice of words.
# We didn't "just post" the updated notes, and the amendment was decidedly not a result of this thread.
# "Without notifying us" sounds aggressive and arrogant. We provide thorough notes, as thorough as we are able. But please don't come to think that we are obligated to do so. We're not an government entity that must give notification on point of law, nor a utility that is required to notify you before they raise your electricity rates. Our form of notification is thorough, and in truth it costs us many staff hours to put it together. It is our intention that our system of update notes will always be as complete as possible. But with all due respect, please don't go there with that "entitlement thing."
# What form of apology would you like? Perhaps you have leapt to that erroneous statement without reading the many times we've said "We apologize" or "We are sorry" or the other words we have used to make it clear that we are, in fact, issuing an apology.
# In Ancient Rome, a general might fall on his sword for making an error that resulted in his army's defeat. I think a few words missed, or an update line later added, isn't worth quite such a level of drama.
# Apparently, others would disagree.

I bolded the part that seemed most argumentative and insulting. (taken from http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10009835 )

I want to look up some more, but I am really tired and about to fall alseep on my keyboard...

Loviatar · Aug 10, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouAl

I bolded the part that seemed most argumentative and insulting. (taken from

I want to look up some more, but I am really tired and about to fall alseep on my keyboard...

i do not see that as insulting in the least but as a flat statement the other person is wrong.

if telling the other person is wrong is argumentative you are correct as holding a different opinion and stating it is by definition arguement.

insulting?........that is laughable

Delarn · Aug 10, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

Loviatar are you tone deaf ? I mean you can't see sarcasm or snobism in those word. She has the WE ARE GODS in her tone. but oh well you don't see it. Maybe you are blind also then.

Loviatar can you quote him with the date he did that interview, was it before of after Alex Weeks wrote his words or after Gaile wrote her's .

Sry for the other ppl.

Thanks for most of your comment.

Lonesamurai · Aug 10, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

i'm sorry, but I agree with Lovitar... she's been messed around and countlessly had to deal with people shes trying to help, bitch at her about herself and the company she works for... to be fair, I think she was milder than she could have been

Delarn · Aug 10, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

I'm not bitching about her I'm just asking for clarification of core and chapter specific. If they clarify it then I'll stop barking around. Clearing things up is the best wayt to make ppl stop arguing... and that is what I want from the start... but There is "not so smart ppl" that don't really read the post and defend the ppl we just want clarification from.

Gaile, Alex or Andrew can you clarify what is CORE and what is CHAPTER SPECIFIC. And take the word of the devellopers for us please. I want to know what they have to say about CORE and CHAPTER SPECIFIC stuff.

Please members of the forum if you don't understand the concept of CLEARING THINGS UP then don't say it was clear... it was not for me and alot of ppl so please let them ask the question and just don't interfere in the process ... and I'm actualy sad to have to put that in my post. This is not anger but sadness.

Nickelocene · Aug 10, 2006, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delarn

Gaile, Alex or Andrew can you clarify what is CORE and what is CHAPTER SPECIFIC. And take the word of the devellopers for us please. I want to know what they have to say about CORE and CHAPTER SPECIFIC stuff.

What would you gain from this information. It's their decision whether it's a core or a chapter specific. They develop the game, we buy it and play it. That's it. They have all the right to do whatever they want. They can even shut the server down if they want. What are you going to do about that. Have you ever paid and played any game that never followed up once it's released?

The OP is asking about the accessibility of the material storage. Why do you shift to talk about if it's free or not? Did they ask for any more money from us for what they did after the release. NO. That means FREE. 50 coins in the GAME, what's the big deal. Enough already.

Loviatar · Aug 10, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delarn

Gaile, Alex or Andrew can you clarify what is CORE and what is CHAPTER SPECIFIC. And take the word of the devellopers for us please. I want to know what they have to say about CORE and CHAPTER SPECIFIC stuff.

.

to be honest i spent 20+ minute looking for that particular jeff strain interview yesterday and when i find it i will link it for you

bpphantom · Aug 10, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delarn

You are seeing the tips of the iceberg GC187. If they do that with the expanded storage (you forgot the and more) then they will do that with the auction house. And that is no fair. There will be ppl that will not buy the next chapter and they will be feeling like left overs from a previously finished party. and when you feel like that you just stop playing and there you go you lose 14 customers. and maybe more has it's on the internet. Please them with those "CORE" feature so they buy the next and next and next chapters.

Oh yeah something that could be a nice feature ... make a "teaser" town for ppl that doesn't have the game. So they would want it more.

Thanks for your comments but I still want comments from Gaile, Andrew(that is Gaile substitute atm) or Alex. Clearing things up for us the mass that give you your butter to feed your self and children.

With no monthly fees, the incentive to buy the next chapter is to GET all those cool features.
NCSoft has done it with other games. Want a base? Buy the Expansion. <-perfectly logical IMHO.

Delarn · Aug 10, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

To Nickelocene ... They are not devs they are spoke person.

to bpphantom ... I know that's why I'm buying the next chapter !

Aug 09, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24	#21
ManxMann Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: W/Mo	`Big Deal`and `Bigger Picture`???? mcsumo and vinegrower, ANET, and ALL of their representatives have the ability to post replies here. I am quite sure that they do not need you to defend them. However, if you insist, please at least open your minds to both sides of the argument before you do so. The point being made here is that ANET, NCSoft, GuildWars, whoever....and their representatives are putting out BAD info. They are making statements and then going back on their collective word. Then to make matters worse, they try to blame the community for misunderstanding or expecting things that are too unreasonable!! Read the dates on the posts that you are reading. Alex Weeks made his comment long before any post appeared on GW.com!! And Gaile Gray is wrong (even in a business ethic sense) to offer her `core`explanation in light of Alex`s statement. If she is a spokesperson for the company, and the company changed their mind then all she would have to have done is to say so. No, Spin Doctors don`t do that...they take the heat for the company. Fact remains that the `Company`allowed at least 2 of it`s representatives to make conflicting remarks to it`s community and FAILED to correct it!! As a company, this has been happening since even before Prophecies launched...see this link...http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...071703&page=19 I am not making these posts to enrage people nor to prompt people to post heated comments back at me. I just want people to be informed. Many of us accept things as they come because we are used to it. I am not at all opposed to paying a fair price for a product and for the most part I enjoy GW. I just seriously detest when some people treat others like they have absolutely no intelligence whatsoever. Further, I did pay for it, so expecting a straight answer to a straight question is NOT an `??ver expection`.

Aug 09, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31	#22
Delarn Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: Embryon Profession: W/Mo	Just has storage is a core component of the game. Ok then WHY can I access my storage upgrade in tyria if they are not overlapping the two games ... And no they are not overlapping has Prophecies and Factions are the same game. I mean I can get my Rit and Assassin through all Prophecies and finish the both campain. So Guildwars is one game and all the chapters are in fact expansion even if you have stand alones... Oh yeah and it works well in WoW and don't tell me they(the WoW players) are paying monthly fee ... They are are charging us 10$ a month for GW by making us pay 60$ each 6 month.

Aug 09, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03	#25
EiS Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Save The Dragons Profession: R/Mo	I'm thinking what alex ment by free of charge he in like real money not Guild wars gold money

Aug 09, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56	#26
Delarn Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: Embryon Profession: W/Mo	EiS we are not talking about Money nor Cash ... We are talking about the fact that Storage is a CORE feature of GW.

Aug 10, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45	#28
EiS Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Save The Dragons Profession: R/Mo	sorry ealier in the conversation they where talknig about the money/gold about the storage upgrade

Aug 10, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42	#32
Delarn Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: Embryon Profession: W/Mo	Loviatar are you tone deaf ? I mean you can't see sarcasm or snobism in those word. She has the WE ARE GODS in her tone. but oh well you don't see it. Maybe you are blind also then. Loviatar can you quote him with the date he did that interview, was it before of after Alex Weeks wrote his words or after Gaile wrote her's . Sry for the other ppl. Thanks for most of your comment.

Aug 10, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11	#33
Lonesamurai Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cheltenham, Glos, UK Guild: Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS] Profession: R/A	i'm sorry, but I agree with Lovitar... she's been messed around and countlessly had to deal with people shes trying to help, bitch at her about herself and the company she works for... to be fair, I think she was milder than she could have been

Aug 10, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20	#34
Delarn Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: Embryon Profession: W/Mo	I'm not bitching about her I'm just asking for clarification of core and chapter specific. If they clarify it then I'll stop barking around. Clearing things up is the best wayt to make ppl stop arguing... and that is what I want from the start... but There is "not so smart ppl" that don't really read the post and defend the ppl we just want clarification from. Gaile, Alex or Andrew can you clarify what is CORE and what is CHAPTER SPECIFIC. And take the word of the devellopers for us please. I want to know what they have to say about CORE and CHAPTER SPECIFIC stuff. Please members of the forum if you don't understand the concept of CLEARING THINGS UP then don't say it was clear... it was not for me and alot of ppl so please let them ask the question and just don't interfere in the process ... and I'm actualy sad to have to put that in my post. This is not anger but sadness.

Aug 10, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42	#38
Delarn Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: Embryon Profession: W/Mo	To Nickelocene ... They are not devs they are spoke person. to bpphantom ... I know that's why I'm buying the next chapter !